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CCTV:First of all, I am a reporter doing live broadcasts. You are a soldier and you must strictly control time. I also strictly control time. Time flies so fast. It was the same place four months ago. We did an interview. When I interviewed you, everyone generally thought that Huawei had reached a low point. Everyone was paying attention to it. Only then did you face it. A series of interviews with domestic and foreign reporters. Unexpectedly, four months later, the situation facing Huawei today is more complicated and even more difficult than it was four months ago. A colleague of reporters just took out a photo of the "bad plane", and I also got it. You also love this photo very much. It is a scarred photo.

Ren Zhengfei: I saw this photo on the "Wukong Questions and Answers" website. I thought it looked like our company and sent it to everyone. The operator BG thinks that they are this aircraft, and they used it to broadcast it themselves. After sorting it out, it was found that the operator BG did not have a major problem because it had been well prepared for more than ten years. Our current situation is to fly while repairing the plane, striving to fly back.

Reporter: The airplane was able to fly back because the vital parts, such as the fuel tank and engine, were not injured. Only the non-critical parts of the wing were injured. Is it possible that the vital parts are attacked while flying, then how to fly back?

Ren Zhengfei:I tell two stories, Germany and Japan during World War II. Because Germany did not surrender, it was bombed to the point that none of the tiles survived. Except for the Yalta meeting, which was left to prepare for the meeting, the rest were bombed to the ground. Japan was also heavily bombed. If it did not surrender, the U.S. forces would have to level it all down. In the end, Japan adopted a compromise method and retained the emperor. Japan surrendered and was not completely destroyed, but a large amount of industrial foundation was destroyed. At that time, there was a famous slogan "There is nothing, as long as the people are still there, you can regain the power", Germany has been revitalized within a few years, and all the houses have been restored as before. Japan’s economy is also recovering quickly, thanks to their talents, their education, and their foundation. This is the most important point. All that is lost and cannot be lost is "people". People's quality, people's skills, and people's confidence are very important.

Reporter: Yesterday in the U.S. time, a 90-day ban on Huawei was issued. In other words, Huawei has a 90-day temporary license. What do you think? What can be done in 90 days? If the news is true, what about this repetition if it is cancelled within 90 days?

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, 90 days does not make much sense to us, we are ready. The most important thing for us is to do what we can do well. What the US government does is beyond our control. I would like to take this opportunity to say that we still have to thank the American companies very much. Over the past 30 years, American companies have made a lot of contributions with our company's growth and taught us how to walk. As you all know, most of Huawei's consulting companies are American companies, typically IBM, Accenture, etc., with dozens of them.

Second, a large number of parts and component manufacturers in the United States have given us great support over the years. Especially in the recent crisis, it embodies the justice and conscience of American companies. The night before yesterday, Xu Zhijun called me at two or three in the middle of the night to report on the U.S. supplier’s efforts to stock up. I was in tears and felt that "there is more help but less help". Today, U.S. companies are still communicating with the U.S. government to approve this thing.

We are included in the list of entities, and US companies must obtain approval to sell products to Huawei. The United States is a country under the rule of law. American companies must abide by the law, and the real economy must abide by the law. The media should not always scold American companies. Everyone speaks for American companies. If they want to scold American politicians. I feel that sometimes indiscriminately, short people are beaten in one shot, but tall people cannot be beaten. The media should understand that American companies and us share a common destiny, and we are all subjects of a market economy.

American politicians may underestimate our strength in doing this work. I won't say much, because He Tingbo's employee letter is very clear, and it's published in mainstream media both at home and abroad. Speaking of rotten airplanes just now, we have some edge products that do not have "spare tires". These products would have been eliminated sooner or later. These have an impact. But there will not be much impact in the most advanced fields, at least 5G will not affect, not only will it not, others will not catch up with us in two or three years.

"People's Daily": I want to ask a question about chips. I noticed that you said in an interview with Japanese media on the 18th that "Huawei does not need American chips, and Huawei is no problem." A letter from Huawei to employees was screened, stating that the company was confident and prepared. Where does Huawei's confidence come from and what preparations have been made?

Ren Zhengfei: First, we will always need American chips. American companies are now fulfilling their responsibility to go to Washington to apply for approval. If the approval is passed, we still have to buy it or sell it (not only buy but also sell, to make it more advanced). Therefore, we will not reject the United States and grow ourselves narrowly, but we must grow together. If there is a real shortage of supply, we have no difficulty. Because we can manufacture all high-end chips by ourselves. In peacetime, we have always followed the "1+1" policy, half buying American company chips and half using our own chips. Although the cost of my own chips is much lower, I still buy American chips at a high price, because we cannot be isolated from the world and should be integrated into the world. The friendship between us and American companies has been formed over decades and cannot be destroyed by a piece of paper. We will still buy American devices on a large scale in the future, as long as it can get approval from Washington. Now the time is in a hurry, and the approval will be inaccurate for a while, so a buffer is fine. If they can get approval, we will still maintain normal trade with American companies and build a human information society together, instead of building an information society alone.

The Japanese media was a little bit extreme when compiling the manuscript. We can make the same chips as the US, which does not mean that we will not buy it.

Xinhua News Agency: You said earlier that Huawei does not want to be a lone ranger and needs cooperation. Now it is mentioned that you can prepare with both hands. Can I understand that the current U.S. trade protectionism, under the ban, will actually interrupt the global supply chain and make the entire market confused? Second, for some time in the past, the US has questioned Huawei’s corporate governance, financial issues and other issues. In your opinion, which aspects of Huawei’s opposition to Huawei are mainly entangled? Why target Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: I really don't know what politicians think. I don’t think we should be beaten because we are ahead of the United States, because 5G is not an atomic bomb, but a benefit for human society.

The capacity of 5G is 20 times that of 4G and 10,000 times that of 2G; the power consumption per bit is reduced by 10 times compared with 4G; the volume is reduced to 1/3, which is a 70% reduction. The 5G base station is only a little bit big, 20 kilograms, which is as big as a suitcase for files. It does not need a tower. It can be mounted on poles or wall at will; we also have corrosion-resistant materials, which will not be used for decades. Corrosion, you can install 5G in the sewer. This kind of convenience is most suitable for Europe, which has very old urban areas and cannot be installed with large iron towers like China. Of course, China's big iron towers are not wasted, and 5G base stations can be hung on them. But there is no need to build a new tower. Each site does not require cranes, etc., and the engineering cost can be reduced by 10,000 Euros in Europe. Not only the iron tower, but the previous base station required a crane, and the road must be closed to drive the crane in. Now the 5G base station can be uploaded by hand, so it is very simple. Second, the energy of 5G bandwidth is very large, it can provide a lot of high-definition content, and it is very simple to spread 8K TV. According to propaganda, the cost has been reduced by 10 times, but in fact it can be reduced by 100 times, so that ordinary people can also watch high-definition TV, and the culture will rapidly improve. The development of a country depends on culture, philosophy, and education. This is the basis for developing the country. Therefore, 5G changes a society, it still has a very short delay, and can be used for many things in industry.

What Mr. Dong cares about is whether the engine is knocked out? We are the edge of the wings may have holes, but the core part we are completely centered on ourselves, and we are truly leading the world. The higher the end, the more adequate the "spare tire".

Reporter:Do you feel that the international market order has been disrupted?

Ren Zhengfei: No. Europe will not follow it. Instead, most American companies communicate closely with us.

"Global Times": I just talked about the impact on Huawei. After reading the letter from HiSilicon, it was very enthusiastic in terms of public opinion. Practitioners in the chip industry view domestic chips with a more objective attitude, including the gap between domestic core components and American and foreign companies. Where do you think Huawei's independent products and R&D are going? Including what was mentioned in the letter, to ensure continuous and uninterrupted supply in the future? Is there a critical point and where is it located?

Ren Zhengfei: Why not take a "cold shower"? I think the most important thing for us is to be calm and composed. With enthusiasm and slogans flying in the sky, it is no good or useless in the final battle. It is true that you can win in the end.

We must first affirm that the depth and breadth of science and technology in the United States are worthy of our study. We still have many shortcomings, especially the products of some small American companies are super cutting-edge. We only focused on our own industry and achieved the current lead, rather than aiming at the national level of the United States. As far as our company compares with individual companies, we think there is not much difference; but as far as our country as a whole compares with the United States, the gap is still very large. This has a lot to do with our economic bubbles in recent years. Bubbles in P2P, Internet, finance, real estate, counterfeit goods, etc. have caused people's academic thinking to bubble. It takes decades for a basic theory to be formed. If everyone doesn't take the theory seriously and shouts slogans, we will not be stronger after a few decades. Therefore, we still have to steadfastly learn.

"The Paper": On the issue of chips. After reading the open letter sent by Mr. He, I was very encouraged. I think Data HiSilicon was established in 2004. After so many years of development, it already has its own chips in many aspects. How was it deduced at that time, and how did you personally or Huawei decide to make self-developed chips? Including Mr. He’s hypothesis of “extreme survival”, so far, you said in an interview with the media two days ago that “we no longer need American chips”. Can you describe this process? Do the results from the original deduction to the present match the original assumption? If the US chip cannot be supplied at all, what is the ability to provide services to customers?

Ren Zhengfei: In fact, we sacrificed individuals, families, and accompanying parents... All of these are for an ideal-to stand on the highest point in the world. Today, everyone can't hold back anymore, so they shouted the slogan to "compete the world" and "the world's first." In the past, we were not allowed to shout. For this ideal, sooner or later we would have conflicts with the United States. In order to avoid this conflict, in the early 2000s, we also hesitated whether we could wear a "cowboy hat". We once prepared to sell Huawei to an American company for $10 billion. The contract was signed and all the procedures were completed. Wait for the approval of the other party’s board All negotiators bought floral clothes at the hotel, and ran and played table tennis on the beach, waiting for approval. During this process, the board of directors of the American company was changed, and the new chairman was short-sighted, and the acquisition was not completed when he rejected the acquisition. At that time, we were going to sell it to an American company. Our idea was that a group of Chinese people wore an American "cowboy hat" and went all over the world. After this idea was not realized, our senior leaders voted, can we sell it? The young and strong faction voted unanimously to "not sell," and I can't go against it. I told them that sooner or later we are going to meet the United States, then we must prepare to confront the United States on the "mountain top" and make all preparations. Since then, we have taken into account the issue of the United States and our encounter on the "mountain top". Made some preparations. But in the end, we still have to embrace on the top of the mountain and contribute to human society together.

Reporter: Other managements including Huawei have also released the message that they have the ability to continue to serve customers. Will the US incident affect the original major customers and business? How do we respond?

Ren Zhengfei: We can definitely continue to serve our customers. Our mass production capacity is still very large. It has not been affected much by being included in the US entity list. Our global bidding is still advancing. The growth rate will slow down, but it will not be as slow as imagined. Our sales revenue in the first quarter increased by 39% year-on-year, and dropped to 25% in April. It is expected that it will decline by the end of this year, but it will not cause negative growth of our company or harm the development of the industry.

"Technology Daily": If a supply cut in the United States occurs, what impact will it have on the industry? Two days ago, I saw Fang Zhouzi posted a Weibo "If the spare tire works well, why wait until the tire is broken?" What do you think of this view?

Ren Zhengfei: If you use "spare tires", it reflects what you call "independent innovation". The main purpose of independent innovation is to be alone. We want friends all over the world. Therefore, there is no “spare tire is easy to use, why not use it” as he imagined. He does not understand our strategic thinking. We don't want to hurt our friends. We must help them have good financial statements. Even if we make adjustments, we must help.

As I mentioned earlier, we did not indicate to the US companies that they do not use their devices, but hope that the US companies will continue to supply us and we will serve mankind together. In the early days, we also told the other side of the development experience of the chip, and even the research results, we don't produce it by ourselves, and hand it over to the other side to produce, or how the suppliers all over the world treat us so well. "Spare tire is easy to use, why not use it?" Spare tire, spare tire, tire is not bad, why use it?

Reporter: What impact will it have on the industry in the event of a supply cut?

Ren Zhengfei: For our company, there will be no extreme cut-off of supply. We are ready. At the beginning of the year, I judged that this incident may have occurred two years later, because the United States will always attack us after the United States and our court of justice decide. No matter what the conclusion is, (the United States) will attack us. So we still have two years, enough preparation. Because of Meng Wanzhou's arrest, the "fuse" was pushed forward.

Everyone knows that we are also working overtime during the Spring Festival, and I also sympathize with employees during the Spring Festival. During the Spring Festival overtime, only security guards, cleaners, restaurant waiters..., there are 5,000 service personnel in China supplying our "warriors", they can get multiple wages, the price of food purchased by the company has doubled, and Tips for the waiter. Many of our employees don't even return home during the Spring Festival and sleep on the floor, just to fight for time. The same goes for May Day. Many people did not go home.

Netease: Speaking of the spare tire plan, how much has Huawei invested in implementing the spare tire plan over the years? If the spare tire plan has not been activated, will money be invested in this spare tire plan?

Ren Zhengfei: There are too many, I can't tell. The budgets and manpower for "True Tire" and "Spare Tire" are allocated to them together. In the past, budget allocation was mainly based on "True Tire", but now it is based on "Spare Tire". I don't know how much it is. Every report is full of pages. I don't think about every part, I just pass on the big idea. The plan that falls below, what are the key links in this part, come a little bit. How about there are eighty to ninety thousand R&D engineers?

"Caixin Weekly": After the US controls, Huawei's companies in Japan, Europe, and Taiwan are expected to help Huawei a lot. If the US government is not successful, will it put pressure on companies like TSMC in the next step? After all, Huawei is a chip company and does not have the capabilities of the entire industry chain.

Ren Zhengfei: If there are more people outside who will not yield, there will be more people who will not yield. Let's not worry too much about this. After all, it didn't happen.

Reporter: In the Google incident, users in Europe are very worried that the latest Android system cannot be used on Huawei phones in the future. In this regard, how to deal with it?

Ren Zhengfei: Google is a good company and a highly responsible company. It is also persuading the US government to solve this problem. We are also discussing alternative relief plans. Experts are still doing this. I can't fully answer you now.

"Tencent.com": Do you think this severe situation will last for a few years? Will this be a turning point for Huawei's development history?

Ren Zhengfei: You should ask Trump. If you ask, I'm wrong. I think there are two sides to this matter. On the one hand, we will be affected. On the other hand, it will stimulate China to systematically and steadily develop the electronics industry. The country’s policy for industrial development in the past was to spend money, but the money will not work. Our country builds bridges, roads, houses...have become accustomed to just spending money. But chips can’t be used to cost money. You have to cost mathematicians, physicists, chemists..., but how many of us are studying seriously? How many insights are there in the doctoral thesis? In this situation, it is difficult to succeed completely relying on China's independent innovation. Why not innovate internationally? Innovation bases can be established in many countries. Wherever we can go, we can build a research institute there.

Of course, China has now returned a lot of talents, which is very important. However, the personal income tax in China is much higher than that in foreign countries. If you come to China and have to pay so much tax, the spirit of "Lei Feng" is unsustainable. Lei Feng is dedicated to the country and the party. But, after all, these top experts returned to China from foreign countries. Not only were there no preferential treatments, but taxes were also much higher. Recently, I heard that the Greater Bay Area can be reduced to 15%. What are the implementation measures? Is it necessary to have a household registration in the Greater Bay Area, or to have a job in the Greater Bay Area? Changing the place will not work. What is the use of this policy? Scientists are mobile, and only work here for eight hours. Are they still scientists? We want to create a way for some foreign scientists to return to China.

The first great talent transfer in the world was the transfer of three million Jews from the Soviet Union to Israel, and Israel became a technological highland. The second great talent transfer is here again. The United States is exclusive and a large number of talents cannot enter classified research. A famous American media wrote an article asking the United States, "If China invents cancer-causing drugs, will it endanger national security?" The American Cancer Center fired three Chinese scientists. Does the cancer drug invented by the Chinese endanger national security? ? He asked the United States. Many scientists have lost their confidence in their work in the United States. Why not embrace them? They asked, "How to get in? It is difficult for children to go to school. They cannot buy a car without a registered permanent residence, and they have to pay high taxes." We should adjust our policies and embrace the world. The United States was a barren land for Indians two hundred years ago. It is the right policy and today it is the world's hegemon. Our country has five thousand years of civilization and has such a good foundation. We should adopt policies to embrace talents from all over the world to start businesses in China.

Everyone should think that Eastern European countries are relatively poor, but a large number of American leaders, scientists, financiers...are Eastern Europeans. Why don’t we attract Eastern Europeans to China on a large scale, or establish various research bases in Eastern Europe? Therefore, it is more difficult to establish a theoretical base with China as the center to break through the encirclement of the United States. This method is more difficult now, because China is not enough in basic theory, and it has been better these years. I once talked about the importance of mathematics at the National Science Conference. I heard that now mathematics graduates are better assigned. How many of us would like to study mathematics? I am not a student of mathematics. I once said that I would like to find a good university to study mathematics after retirement. The principal asked me, what do you study math? I said, I want to study the second law of thermodynamics. He asked, what is research used for? I said, I want to study the origin of the universe. He said, I welcome you! But I still can't retire, I can't go. We were engineering students at that time, learning advanced mathematics, the simplest mathematics. China must steadfastly make changes in all aspects of mathematics, physics, chemistry, neurology, and brain science. We may stand up in this world.

The philosophical system in China in the past was metaphysics. Even if there was Buddhism, it was in Sanskrit. Tang Seng should have translated into Chinese, but did not. What the West promoted is metaphysics and mechanical materialism, which produced various disciplines such as physics, chemistry, mathematics, geometry, and so on. Therefore, industry developed, established an industrial society, and occupied the world. Metaphysics is not said to be useless now. In a virtual world, China’s game industry is developing rapidly, and many production methods in human society may also be virtualized. About 50% of human scientists in artificial intelligence are Chinese. If they are excluded and embrace them to enter China, they will innovate on the underlying platform and provide us with a foundation.

I think it would be good for us to reform if we can bring in outstanding talents. If we still emphasize independent innovation, a lot of precious time will be wasted.

"Daily Economic News": Is the Hongmeng system used on a small scale within Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: I'm sorry that I can't answer this question today. We can make an operating system, but it is not necessarily a substitute for others, because we also need it in artificial intelligence and the Internet of Everything, but I am not very clear about which ones are used and which ones are useless.

Reporter: Many articles are now "Huawei shocked body". Huawei shocked the world.

Ren Zhengfei: Our company employees are all stupid, none of them are scared, we think it's normal. Online articles are generally exaggerated, just like the online saying that Infineon will not supply us. How can it be? This was made up by someone. So, if you really want to know about Huawei, please take a look at our heartfelt community. In the Xinsheng community, even if you scold the company’s posts, they will not be blocked. Instead, the human resources department will go to see how he scolds. If the scolding is correct, start an investigation and look at his performance in the previous three years. If the performance is also very good, he will be transferred to the company secretariat to help deal with some specific problems, train him and exercise him, that is, give him a chance to come to the General Staff to "bath", and put him down in half a year. These seeds will be leaders sooner or later. People who always say that we are good, on the contrary, numb us because there is no content. The content that the Xinsheng community scolds us is very specific, and we need to analyze the specifics. If there is no self-critical spirit, we cannot live to this day.

Caijing Magazine: Everyone is now very concerned about Huawei's "spare tire" plan. You have been talking about some of the more worry-conscious effects of the international situation on Huawei since ten years ago.

Ren Zhengfei: Regarding the speech of the "spare tire" plan, the president's emails are all public. I don't remember when I started talking about it, but I have repeatedly said it, but the society does not pay attention to it. Now that the United States hits us, the word "spare tire" has been taken seriously.

Reporter: So many years of strategic inclination to worry awareness and specific business continuity, the combination of macro and micro levels. I have been thinking about this for so many years. When the expectation becomes a reality, and the blow is more severe than everyone imagined, do you have any new ideas? We have seen too much about the impact of Sino-US trade friction on Huawei. When the real challenge comes, are there any new ideas?

Ren Zhengfei: First, business continuity is the same as the "spare tire". The spare tire is to ensure that when the car breaks down, it can be driven by changing a tire. Continuity is also achieved step by step, in fact, many things have already been put into production. When it is put into production, it is not exclusive, and the outside goods are half ordered. I once said in an article that at least 50 million sets of Qualcomm chips are purchased every year, so we have never rejected or resisted.

The world’s largest spare tire is an atomic bomb. What is the use of an atomic bomb? Never used it once after World War II. However, officials promoted in China basically have two bomb backgrounds. One is capable of doing two bombs, and the other is loyal to the country's cause, with reliable technology and capable, so they should be ministers or governors. We are envious of being a governor at about 40 years old. We are still looking for a job when we are 40 years old. "Spare tire" has now become a new term, which is a normal behavior in our company. He Tingbo was also fired, and she couldn't hold it back when it was issued on the night of the US ban. She has been uncomfortable all these years, and can't hold her head up after so many years.

Reporter: In other words, do you think the spare tire is always there.

Ren Zhengfei: The spare tire must be useful because it is designed in conjunction with our solution, not made out of the solution. It was not put into use until it was available, and it was used on a rolling basis.

Caijing Magazine: Now everyone has two distinct sentiments towards Huawei: first, very clear patriotism, which raises Huawei’s support to the height of supporting patriotism; second, Huawei has kidnapped the patriotism of the whole society. If you don't support Huawei, you won't be patriotic. Now the mood is getting worse.

Ren Zhengfei: Then my kid doesn’t love Huawei if he uses Apple? Can't say that. I often say this, Yu Chengdong is very angry, thinking that the boss always promotes for others, not for himself. What I'm talking about is the fact. You can't say that you are patriotic if you use Huawei products, and if you don't, you don't. Huawei products are just commodities. Use them if you like them, and don't use them if you don't. Don't be linked to politics. After all, Huawei is a commercial company, and we have never said "honour for the country" on billboards. It’s just that the recent swearing ceremony sometimes yells a few words, but we will immediately publish documents to stop them from yelling slogans. It’s no problem for everyone to hold a celebration party and issue medals. It’s okay to say a few words too much after a meal, but you must not stir up The wind of populism.

I often cite some examples. In fact, I just want to pour the cold water of Huawei. You cannot use populism. This is harmful to the country. Because the future of the country is "opening up." After the Sino-US talks were over, CCTV said "We want to open up and reform", and I am so happy. In fact, we are still too late to open up and reform too late. The WTO has promises to others, and we must honor it after we get the benefits. If you cash out earlier and make some contributions, you can unite more friends. China has too much money, why only save it in the United States and not save some to Europe, Russia, Africa... various countries? If you are worried that they will not pay it back, they are mortgaged with national credit, and they will not pay it back this year, but will pay it back a hundred years later. China is not in a hurry for money, which spreads risks. For agricultural products, why not buy one? If you can buy Ukrainian agricultural products, it will not be so difficult for Ukraine. Ukraine is the "granary" of Russia's heavy weapons. When buying food and grain, is it possible to buy heavy weapons "grain"? Must our heavy weapons be self-reliant? No need, just win. You can take a look at Shoigu’s commander-in-chief report. The short report is very well written.

"Science and Technology Daily": Just now I talked about the lack of money to make chips. I also talked about the need for physicists and mathematicians. As a commercial company, Huawei has repeatedly talked about "basic research and basic education" on previous occasions, whether it is Huawei or you, including some advertisements. For basic research and basic education, what specific actions does Huawei have? What kind of support will this provide for Huawei's future development?

Ren Zhengfei: We have 26 R&D competence centers around the world, with more than 700 mathematicians, 800 physicists, and 120 chemists. We also have a strategic research institute, with a lot of money, to "sprinkle the pepper" on famous professors from famous universities all over the world. We have no concept of return on investment for this money, but use the principles of the American "Bay-Dole Act". In other words, it is the university that benefits. In this way, more scientists extend from our "bell".

Today everyone talks about how powerful the 5G standard is for human society. How could you think that the 5G standard originated from a mathematics paper by Professor Arikan in Turkey more than ten years ago? Two months after Professor Arikan published this paper, we discovered it, and we began to study various patents with this paper as the center, step by step research on disintegration, and invested thousands of people. In ten years, we have turned Turkish professors of mathematics papers into techniques and standards. Our 5G basic patents account for about 27% of the world, ranking first. The Turkish professor is not staffing Huawei, but we use money to support his laboratory, he can recruit more doctoral students, and we provide assistance to doctoral students. We support a university professor in Japan. All of his four doctoral students come to work in our company. The work location is in his office, and he can recruit four more doctoral students, which is equivalent to eight doctors to help him in research. , All papers and everything belong to him, not to us. If we want to use his things, we need commercial transactions. This is the principle of the "Bay-Dole Act" in the United States. It is through this "trumpet" that we extend more scientists.

We held the World Scientists Conference last week. I did not go to the scene and broadcast it to my conference room via video. A group of young scientists came here to do technical translations for me. They were all Ph.Ds. They were very good. They explained to me what these papers mean for the future human society. We continue to have this kind of world-wide communication, we absorb energy ourselves, and they also absorb our needs and continue to spread.

Western companies look far ahead of us in the competition for talents. If you find that you are a talent, you will go to their company for an internship and someone will train you. This is not the concept of finding a job after graduating from college. We have expanded the window of opportunity to compete with American companies for talent, but our strength is not enough. For outstanding college students from all over the world, we will give them offers from the sophomore year. These kids are super smart. For example, Novosibirsk University won the world computer competition championship and runner-up for six consecutive years, but all the champions and runner-ups have been poached by Google with five or six times the salary. Starting this year, we will open To dig them out with a higher salary than Google, and to innovate on Russian soil, we have to compete with Google for talent. We support the innovation of scientists. We do not require scientists to pursue success. Failure is success because they cultivate talents. Only in this way can we continue to move forward.

"Interface": I visited the Huawei laboratory. There are many new inventions, such as anti-corrosion equipment, heat conduction... I found that they are all based on the principles of high school chemistry, but the application is very magical. Is this a manifestation of basic science and basic education in your eyes? How much help can the accumulation of this basic science bring to the company at the current key nodes?

Ren Zhengfei: Actually, junior high school students have learned the nuclear reaction chain equation of an atomic bomb, but it is not so easy to make an atomic bomb. Basic science seems to be very simple, but very difficult to implement. Therefore, something abroad may seem like a very small invention, but the invention includes the invention and then the invention. Thousands of patents and tens of thousands of patents support a small part.

"Sina": Now talking about strengthening investment in mathematics and basic subjects, what level do you think Huawei's investment is currently at around the world? What opportunity did you take to realize the importance of investing in basic disciplines? What are your goals and expectations for future investment?

Ren Zhengfei: Take an example, the camera of the P30 mobile phone is mathematics. The current image is not photographed, but calculated by mathematics. Because the human eye is equivalent to 100 million lenses, the camera is just one lens. Our mobile phone passes through a lens to decompose the light-sensitive points into tens of millions of visual lenses and restore them again. The slogan of our company's mathematicians is "make mobile phones better than human eyes." I criticized the company in speeches. I don't think it is necessary, but they are stubborn and can't help it. They said that "the moon can be illuminated by a mobile phone for a thousand kilometers", which may be true, because it is mathematics, which can restore weak signals.

I went to see them at the Institute of Nice, France, and said, "The sea in Nice is blue, and the sky is blue. Why is the mathematician's formula blue?" The original image had a blue tone, but it seemed to be corrected. The reason why mobile phones have progressed so fast is due to our strategic "spare tires". Because the strategic spare tires established by our network are useless, they are allocated to the terminal. The terminal is like a fish in water. It is replaced every three months, mainly mathematicians. Of course, physicists have made the three-color sensor of light.

Therefore, if the electronics industry is still stuck in buying other people's parts to assemble, it is impossible. Of course, they also have mathematics, but the mathematics is done by other companies, and they add money to the parts and sell them. In this respect, we should lead the world and stand at the forefront of the world.

"Global Network": For a period of time, the United States has not only suppressed Huawei itself, but also attracted European allies to pressure Huawei and block Huawei. If the United States continues to force its European allies to close the door to Huawei, will you go to Downing Street in the UK? In a more direct and effective way, opened the door that threatened to close to Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: No. 10 Downing Street, I used to go for afternoon tea. They asked me how to learn to be in line with international standards? I said, afternoon tea. Therefore, in order to receive me, they had afternoon tea in Downing Street. We communicate with the leaders of various countries. Each country has its own interests. The United States will not have such a powerful force to call everyone to follow it.

"Phoenix.com": Last year, I have been more concerned about the barrier-free support of mobile phone companies, and technological advancement has greatly helped the disabled. Huawei is an ideal enterprise. Last week, on May 16, Global Accessibility Day, what efforts did Huawei make in terms of accessibility as a leading technology company? What are your plans afterwards?

Ren Zhengfei: I tried on our company's glasses in Japan, and I can see the operation of employees thousands of kilometers away, and give guidance to his operation; or after putting on the glasses, there are all the drawings on the glasses, and there are instructions for everything. , This is already possible. I don't know if it has entered the market.

Support for people with disabilities can theoretically be provided in the future. I don't know what stage it is going to. I ask them to call and ask. In theory, this can be achieved by stimulating the cranial nerves. I wear wireless glasses, and I can see the work done by employees thousands of kilometers away. Of course, what I'm talking about right now doesn't count, because I'm watching a demonstration project given to me by a scientist, not a commodity.

"Phoenix": Apple has always paid more attention to basic education and has done a good job. Many ipads and iphones are very helpful for children to learn. Huawei attaches great importance to basic education, including basic disciplines. What efforts has Huawei made? I can't just say nothing, I want to know my views on education.

Ren Zhengfei: Improving the cultural quality of the entire nation is the basic responsibility of the country, and no enterprise can assume the responsibility of improving the quality of a nation. It cannot be said that education should be done when it comes to education.

In the future, China will compete with the United States. There is no other way but to improve education. The commodity of educational methods is another matter. I think the most important thing is to attach importance to teachers, because after teachers are respected, everyone wants to be teachers. Teachers in Shenzhen are respected. Teachers in Shenzhen earn more money, and 253 people compete for a teacher position. We helped Tsinghua Affiliated Middle School to build Qinglanshan Middle School. The principal said that in the future, he would be the number one school in China because of high fees. Qinglan Mountain only enrolls more than 2,000 students and is open to the whole society. Huawei employees rushed to send their children in, but they couldn't send them in to find me. I said I can't control you.

Only when the political status of teachers and their economic benefits are improved, I think it is possible to achieve greater development in education. Why do I feel so deeply? My parents are rural teachers and they are engaged in rural education in the most remote ethnic minority area in Guizhou. The experience of parents as teachers in their entire life is to say "You are not allowed to be teachers in this life and this life." If teachers do not let their own When children are teachers, the country has no successors. I personally experienced the dilemma of their low political status, discrimination, and poor economic treatment. We followed them and experienced this pain firsthand, so I did not choose to be a teacher.

"China Business News": I have two questions: First, in the company's planning, the current consumer business is the largest piece, followed by operator business and corporate business. In your mind, what percentage of revenue will the three businesses achieve in the next period of time, say five or ten years? Second, regarding the positioning of HiSilicon, how do you design the future positioning of HiSilicon in the Huawei system under the current situation?

Ren Zhengfei: HiSilicon is a support team of Huawei. It follows Huawei's main battle team, just like the tanker, bridge crane, and stretcher team. It is positioned in this way. In the three sectors, it is not that which sector earns more money and has a high status. Only the network connection sector can dominate the world. The United States fights this sector, and the "bad aircraft" is also talking about this sector. After sorting it out now, I find that this department has fewer difficulties, because the preparation time is long, but other departments have more difficulties. In 5G, optical transmission, core network and other fields, it will not be hit, and it will lead the world for many years.

"China Business News": Recently, HiSilicon’s assembly order has swept the screen and continuously recruited global employees. When will HiSilicon become independent in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: It will never be independent. It is the "fuel truck", "stretcher team", and "bridging team" of the main battle force. It is not the main battle force. How can it be independent? The network connection department is the main battle department, and sales may not be the highest in the future, because "Mount Everest" may not be able to accommodate so much output value, but "Mount Everest" is of great significance to the world and is a strategic highland. The United States is competing for a strategic highland, but it is impossible to fight for it. Therefore, using administrative means, how can we see money open and give up this strategic highland? We will not overpower the guests.

China Business News: Although Huawei is prepared for continuous operation management, facing a server and base station, there are too many parts involved. Where does your optimism come from?

Ren Zhengfei: Sort out the problems, and solve every existing problem.

"People's Daily": Let me ask a question about R&D. Huawei has invested a lot in R&D. What are the key directions of Huawei's R&D in the future? What are the technical reserves?

Ren Zhengfei: We have been charging at the same "mouth of the city wall" in the past 30 years. Dozens and hundreds of people have faced this "mouth of the city wall." This "mouth of the city wall" will be attacked. Moreover, we shelled the "munitions" of this "city wall", and now it is 20 billion US dollars in research and development every year. No listed company in the world dares to invest so much shelling on the same "city wall" like ours.

We only work hard around "diverting information flow". The terminal is a "faucet" and CNBG is a "pipeline". The more we do this, the more likely we are to lead the world, and the easier it will be to occupy a certain reasonable position in the world. It will get bigger and bigger. If we suffer a little financial setback, it will not affect our investment in technology, because employees are not greedy for money and their living expenses are enough. Many wives of scientific researchers save money, but I still criticize; someone asked me, who is Lei Feng from your Huawei company? If you go to a luxury store to buy a few bags and leave, ask where is her husband? Huawei's. Follow along to find the job number, that is Lei Feng, no need to comment. My husband earns a lot, but my wife doesn’t spend it. How can my husband still have the motivation to earn money? We continue to move forward in the same field and will not change tracks.

It is said that we build cars on the Internet, we will not do it. Because our Internet of Vehicles is basically a supplier of the world's most important car companies, in the future, we will focus on in-vehicle computing and in-vehicle electronics. Our industry may be very large. Cooperating with others, we realized unmanned driving together. They gave us a car with the Huawei logo printed on it, which does not mean that Huawei wants to build a car. This is just a legend, we will not change tracks casually.

"Sohu": You attach great importance to basic education. Is it possible to participate in basic education work in some form in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: Basic education is the responsibility of the country, and enterprises must do their own business well. We are the main battle force. When the "tank army" is advancing, dragging a few children and holding a few literacy books, it is impossible to rush to the "Shangganling". To build such a huge network for mankind is our biggest social responsibility. The 3 billion people in the world are connected by us. Especially in the African region, because it does not make money, the Western countries will not go. We are the ones to connect. If Huawei does not exist, it is a threat to the world.

We will not do education on our own, because our main battle force has to be reduced, and some minor organizations must be cut off, so that they can be privatized into militia organizations and follow us. Just like the Battle of Huaihai, migrant workers pushed a wheelbarrow to deliver food, but they had to pay. During the Spring Festival this year, when employees worked overtime, more than 5,000 people provided services. It was a militia organization. Not only did the price of purchases double during the Spring Festival, but also certain rewards were given to service personnel and cashed in time.

"21st Century Business Herald": In our view, Huawei's management philosophy and management thinking are those of Mr. Ren. What do you think is the essence of Huawei's management philosophy and management thinking? International management philosophy has long been dominated by the West. Do you think it is time for Chinese management philosophy and management ideas to be exported to the world? There are a large number of books on the market for Huawei cheats. Are there any Huawei cheats? Can the Huawei model be copied?

Ren Zhengfei: Huawei has no philosophy. I personally have not studied philosophy, nor have I read philosophy books seriously. I have never seen the author of the book outside. I don’t know it. Maybe he made it. The Huawei philosophy circulating outside is what everyone just said casually, there is nothing special. In my opinion, if Huawei has a philosophy, it should be "customer-centric and create value for customers." Because the money is in the customer’s pocket, there are three ways to get the money. First, stealing, which is a crime; second, stealing, no way. It takes two or three days at the police station to be released; third, the customer willingly To give you money, you must provide good products and provide him with the services he needs. So, this is the secret.

You see, the small cafes in our park are doing very well. Why? Don't fake it, do it steadfastly. In our coffee shop, five or six Huawei employees took high salaries and stocks to make coffee there and lost money. I said you start a business, start a business one by one, and now you can earn 700,000 or 800,000 yuan. Someone in our agency said to check, "I didn’t make money before, but now I’m making money, what kind of famous people are doing to make money?" I said, “I’ll lay off one person when I check it once. Why? You have too many people to do business. He only needs to pay the rent for water and electricity, the sanitation quality is good, and the employees like to consume. What do you do with so much nosy? Therefore, our logistics organization has been compressed very small, with only 703 logistics support personnel for 180,000 employees in 170 countries around the world.

Xinhua News Agency: Recently, I saw an article of your speech at an employee stock ownership meeting. Huawei passed a governance charter document. You call it a milestone progress. At the same time, there is also the governance structure of Huawei. What is the direction of Huawei's governance?

Ren Zhengfei: In fact, our governance structure and governance charter have all been published online. The general election of the board of directors has gone through more than a year, and more than 90,000 people have participated. They are constantly learning and disseminating, but the media is not very interested. I can’t fully explain the question you raised today. This is a system.

Reporter: What kind of enterprise or direction does Huawei want to develop in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: In addition to not letting capital in, everything else can be discussed.

CCTV: I have a very strong feeling. Mr. Ren has a very strong awareness of being prepared for danger in times of peace. The chip had a spare tire plan more than ten years ago. I am particularly curious about where this crisis awareness originally came from?

Ren Zhengfei: Always get beaten, I feel there is a crisis.

"36Kr": Everyone asked a lot of questions just now, saying that Huawei has a spare tire plan and is optimistic about the current situation. What is your biggest worry at this stage? This incident involves your family. In the process of daily communication with your family, does it have any impact on your decision-making?

Ren Zhengfei: The purpose of arresting my family is to influence my will. The inspiration my family gives me is to inspire my will. The letter my daughter wrote to me said that she would be mentally prepared for a long time, and she was also very optimistic. I was relieved and relieved a lot of pressure. I want to think beyond the individual, the family, and Huawei to think about the problems in this world, otherwise I will not be objective.

I communicate with foreign journalists and they are very straightforward. The Public Relations Department printed the full text in a book and gave it to you today. Why so much communication? From a narrow point of view, we are confronting the Western media, and perhaps we are also confronting you. I should go beyond my own point of view to communicate and discuss issues on an equal footing.

The vast majority of Huawei's senior leaders did not consider issues based on their own interests and corporate interests. We are a worldwide, and there are many friends in the world who accept and support us.

CCTV: I pay special attention to the issue of independent intellectual property rights and independent innovation. Many people think that independent intellectual property rights and independent innovation are our way to survive in the future. You just said that HiSilicon’s long-lasting survival as a spare tire is based on independent innovation, but you also said that you should give up on the non-important parts of the "aircraft". Don't waste time or energy. Why is there such a big difference?

Ren Zhengfei: As a kind of spirit, independent innovation is worthy of encouragement. It is correct to innovate on the basis of human civilization. All scientists are independent innovation, why? They do some inexplicable questions, and no one understands them. However, we must see that technological innovation needs to advance on the shoulders of predecessors. For example, our HiSilicon does not start independent innovation from the source, but also pays a lot of intellectual property fees to others. Some have signed cross-licensing agreements. Some agreements are perpetually authorized, you have me in you, and you in me, forming our own innovation on the basis of others.

We agree to encourage independent innovation, but we must make the definition clear. You can't use the same thing if you make it yourself. You have to pay for the original creation. This is the law. Whoever applies first belongs to whoever applies. The radio was first invented by Popov, but Russia suppressed the publication of this thing in order to keep it secret; Marconi of Italy applied first, so the right to invent the radio belongs to Marconi. The inventor of the airplane was not the Wright brothers, they just completed the flight. In fact, the real inventor is Zhukovsky. His fluid mechanics formula deduced how to raise the wings and laid the foundation for lift fluid mechanics. Our jet engine is not closed until today, but who invented the jet engine? Chinese people. When Deng Xiaoping introduced the Spey engine to the UK, Spey agreed to sell the engine to us. Deng Xiaoping asked whether military engines could be sold? The British replied to sell. In fact, China wanted to buy civilian engines, mainly as spare parts for civil aircraft. Later, British military engines were also sold, which is now the engine used in the Bomber 6. Deng Xiaoping stood up and paid tribute to the British scientists. The British scientists were frightened, and quickly stood up and responded, saying "Thank you for the great invention of Chinese scientists." Deng Xiaoping came back to find out who invented it, Wu Zhonghua, and where is this person? As soon as this person raised pigs in Hubei, he quickly transferred back to Beijing to be the director of the Institute of Thermophysics. Why don't we use Wu Zhonghua's research to go deeper, why can't we make theoretical breakthroughs in jet engines? Nowadays, aircraft engine design is called experimental science, not theoretical science, and aircraft must be theoretical science. Look at Shoigu’s speech on aircraft. American aircraft are very sophisticated, with aircraft time of 4,000-5,000 hours; Russian aircraft are not so developed and can only fly 1,000 hours. Shoigu asked, can aircraft fly 1,000 hours during war? Most of them were destroyed before 1,000 hours, so why do they need to spend 4,000-5,000 hours, and it’s so expensive, so the principle of designing the aircraft was determined based on actual combat requirements. He said that if the plane is not flying fast and the metal surface is not flat, Russia will form a layer of laminar film on the wings, which solves the lubrication effect of high-speed air, so that Russian planes can also fly very fast. The stealth principle of the F22 stealth aircraft was also invented by Russian mathematicians in the 1950s. Russian mathematicians said that diamond slices have stealth functions. Russian research for a long time finds this thing useless. Why? Because it was impossible and meaningless, the paper was approved for publication. After reading it, the Americans, if they get the treasure, spent 20 years to build the F22 stealth aircraft. Of course, now our metric radar has seen the F22 again.

In fact, there were many original scientists in China in the 1950s, but now they have a rough and foamy style of study. How can this style of study lay the foundation for our country's basic scientific research competitiveness? Therefore, we still have to reform the style of study.

Caijing Magazine: You mentioned a matter that is particularly important. What is the definition of independent innovation? What you are opposed to is closed and repetitive independent innovation?

Ren Zhengfei: If independent innovation is a spirit, I support it; if it is an action, I oppose it.

Caijing Magazine: If you define it this way, people will definitely use Hisilicon to refute you?

Ren Zhengfei: HiSilicon is also an innovation standing on the shoulders of others.

Zhu Guangping: Independent innovation does not mean that it is all self-innovation. The most important thing for innovation is to master the most core part of a system, instead of recreating many "wheels" that others have built. That is meaningless. Mr. Ren has always emphasized mathematics. The core of mathematics is to solve the problem of "knowing what is and why". For example, you can easily make a hoe, but do you understand the principles behind the hoe? What kind of shape is the best? You can experiment with all these things, but what is the principle behind the experiment? How to prove the difference between your experiment and theory, and where is the limit? This must be proved by theory.

CCTV: I want to refute you. In the automobile manufacturing industry, some people say that Li Shufu is a very good person in China's automobile industry. He can use funds to move Volvo. Others say that he is a short-legged giant. Because he does not master the engine, the engine is used by most automobile companies in the world. Master, but we do not, in this case, is independent innovation not critical and important?

Ren Zhengfei: I am not against Li Shufu, but are the shock-absorbing shrapnel steel rims and tires independent innovation? Just talk about how to build cars in Germany. Once I went to Stuttgart, Germany, and the dean of the Faculty of Engineering took me to visit the first-year students to study for a few weeks. Everyone sends out an iron plate and gives a drawing of a gear. Everyone has to use a file to make the gear. If the gear is made, it can't be scored. You have to get the gearbox to run, and then you can score after running. This is the basis of German cars. What is the difference between European cars and Chinese cars? Why are they so expensive? Is high reliability. Everyone can build a car, but it's a different matter if it's not the best car. Building a car requires a lot of human science and technology, and it is not a concept of independent innovation.

Zhu Guangping: Independent innovation is not about doing it all by yourself, but about finding out where your strengths are. The so-called stuck necks are all about making up for shortcomings. The question is where are your longboards?

Ren Zhengfei: Just buy someone else if you have a short board, why do you have to do it yourself?

CCTV: If you don't have it yourself, and you want to buy someone else's but you can't buy it, it won't work?

Not everyone will encounter extreme situations like ours. Most people do not need to follow this path and should use human civilization to advance. If it is independent innovation, where did the steel plate material come from? It is the innovation of others, not yours.

CCTV: Is your current situation an accidental case, or is it a common occurrence for Chinese companies in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: I have never studied the specific social problems of our country, and now I am forced by public relations to force the outside world, using me as a "shield" everywhere to "block guns", I will go to the battlefield, I am old, even if I am killed , Don't care anymore. Therefore, my main energy is to study the internal problems of the company and pay attention to the technology in related fields in the world, and determine what is wrong in our strategy. I can't handle the relationship with my family well. I have too little contact with my children and my wife. She said, "You only care about your company and don't care about your family." If I care about the society any more, my home might be gone. Therefore, I cannot evaluate the society, nor do I have the energy to study other domestic enterprises.

Caijing Weekly: Is there a way to relieve the spectrum concerns raised by the US Department of Defense?

Ren Zhengfei: Am I being relieved?

"Tiger Sniff": I received a copy of your previous interview booklet. I read it carefully and saw that some of the questions asked outside were very strange for us. In fact, it can be seen that there are some mutual understanding and ideological issues between countries. How do you think it can be improved? Would you consider Huawei to change some of its posture and communication abroad in the future? In other words, what kind of improvements will be made in globalization?

Ren Zhengfei: We will not solve it through dissemination, but solve our image by providing quality services to customers. We are already very advanced, and customers will know how powerful they are when they use it. For example, the chairman of South Korean LG asked me that he wanted to open 300M LTE. At that time, I objected. He brought two translators to convince me. I said that 100M is enough, but 300M is not necessary. Stick to 300 trillion. We will sell him 300M equipment. Not long after, Pope Paul visited South Korea. There were 300,000 people in South Korea on 1.3 square miles of land. Everyone held up their mobile phone and used 300 megabytes to shoot the video. The network was not paralyzed. The second example is Haji Guarantee. Every operator was paralyzed before. After we took over, Haji Guarantee has not been paralyzed once. Four to five million Muslims turned off their mobile phones immediately before praying. After praying, everyone turned on their mobile phones at the same time. Our network was not paralyzed, and it went smoothly. These are all examples of our image in the world, and will not change our image through media communication.

As for investing abroad, it is because of our needs. For example, we invest in optical chip factories in the UK mainly for the purpose of using the UK as the export center for these chips in the future. We have such factories in Germany and Japan, which are determined according to needs. It is not purely to illustrate the image. We don't need the image, only the order.

"Observer Network": Yesterday we visited the showroom of Huawei's equity structure. We had two feelings and two problems. First, Huawei’s shareholding structure has taken a completely different path from major technology companies in East Asia, such as Samsung Electronics and TSMC. Foreign institutions and foreigners account for more than 50% of the shares. The shareholding structure of Samsung Electronics and TSMC makes Western capital can obtain capital gains from the top technology companies in East Asia. How do you view the topic of difference and capital gains? Second, Huawei’s shareholding structure is Huawei’s own exploration of a structural model that suits Huawei’s own path, and Huawei has communicated with Western media in the past few years. Yesterday, I heard that many Western media currently have some misunderstandings, thinking that it is not all people’s shareholding, but a national compensation plan. This reflects the duality of the West. On the one hand, Western technology companies pay more attention to talents and technology, and they have a respectable side; but on the other hand, they may have a lot of misunderstandings or misunderstandings with different models from their own. What do you think is the source of misunderstanding in the West?

Ren Zhengfei: We are not interested in capital, so there is no research. Western media can do research if they want. Anyway, we will not let outside capital enter the company. The company’s current problem is to make too much money, because we can’t lower the price. After lowering the price, we will squeeze all the companies below, and become the "Overlord of Western Chu", which will eventually perish, so we cannot be in the industry. this way. Apple is a role model and will always be a big "umbrella" so that the small manufacturers below can live. If Apple sells carrots and cabbage prices, there will be no other mobile phones in the world. We have a lot of money and use a part of our investment strategy, but we don’t expand horizontally and we support universities and scientists. It is also a miracle that we have organized a conference of scientists and can invite so many top scientists from all over the world.

Therefore, we don't need capital to come in. The greedy nature of capital will destroy the realization of our ideals.

Reporter: Where is the source of misunderstanding about Huawei's shareholding structure in the West?

Ren Zhengfei: The West did not just start to misunderstand today. It has been misunderstanding China for decades. As long as we are legal and compliant in China.

Caixin Weekly: Whether it was the last time Meng Wanzhou was detained in Canada or the current US export control, the US prima facie reason was the Justice Department's case against Iran. In order to understand the dilemma facing Huawei, will Huawei be willing to talk to the US government, the Department of Commerce, and the Department of Justice?

Ren Zhengfei: Haven't we already sued the US government? Talk to it in court through a lawyer, and it has to show evidence.

Reporter: So, you won't talk in private?

Ren Zhengfei: I have no private channels either. You give me Trump's phone talk?

"Netease": I want to ask a more relaxed question. You took a family portrait with your youngest daughter Yao Anna and mother Yao Ling last year, which surprised the outside world. Whether you are a father or a husband, how would you rate yourself? How much time do you usually spend with your family? Your daughter is studying at Harvard University. What kind of job do you want her to do in the future?

Ren Zhengfei: Actually, I am very sorry for my children in this life. My two older children, when they were young, I went as a soldier and only returned home once in 11 months. When I went home, they went to school during the day, did homework at night, then went to bed, and went to school again the next morning. In fact, we didn't have much communication, and we didn't establish any relationship. The younger daughter was actually very difficult, because at that time our company was still struggling, I basically spent more than ten hours at the company, or I was on a business trip and did not go home for a few months. At that time, in order to open up the international market and prove that we were not successful in corruption in China, we stayed abroad for a few months. Basically, children had very little contact with them and we owed them a lot. In fact, children rely on their own efforts, and they have high demands on themselves.

When the youngest daughter was in middle school, she had to dance for 15 hours a week. She could only do her homework after she danced, and she could only rest at one o'clock at night. After college, I basically do homework until two o'clock in the evening, and sometimes four or five o'clock when doing algorithms. The child loves literature and art. When someone invited her to a celebrity meeting, she discussed with her parents that she would attend. My attitude at the time was support. Because if it hits this time, when the rest of her life is not going well in the future, she will say that her parents are blocking this road. We might as well stand up and support her and do whatever she wants. When someone proposed to take the family portrait, I was the first to express my firm support and publish our family portrait. My wife thought I would dodge. I think I want to support my children. I'm sorry for my children. Why don't you support her? She studied hard and took control of her life's destiny.

Reporter: Can you talk about your wife?

Ren Zhengfei: I have two marriages and three children in my life. My ex-wife has a strong personality. During the Cultural Revolution, she was once the political commissar of the 300,000 Red Guards in Chongqing, and she was a brilliant person. I’m a free sect who can’t even participate in the Red Guards. I don’t have a girlfriend after graduating from college. I was introduced to us by others. She can see me. I really don’t understand. She is a "white swan" flying in the sky and I am on the ground" "Little Toad". At that time, apart from studying well, the family environment was not good. My father was still in the "cow shed". Why did she like me? We walked together for more than 20 years, and then we separated. The current wife is very gentle and capable. She has spent more than 20 years dedicated to cultivating children and she is very accomplished. My ex-wife helped Yao Ling and I get the marriage certificate, and my ex-wife also helped the child get registered. My ex-wife has a very harmonious relationship with my current wife.

"People's Daily": Huawei has already issued a statement regarding Google's suspension of cooperation. I would like to ask you to comment again. What impact will it have on Huawei in terms of operating systems?

Ren Zhengfei: It should be influential. Google is a very good company. Google is thinking of a way, and we are also thinking of ways and discussing relief measures.

"Global Times": I have seen that HiSilicon has been posting various recruitment information, including official accounts and WeChat. Now Chinese companies are facing such a problem. Alibaba, Tencent, etc. all need more high-end talents, including international talents, to join the innovation industry. I don’t know what Huawei can do to attract more high-end talents to supplement this. A team? Are there any specific standards for salary treatment?

Ren Zhengfei: A sense of mission. Material treatment will definitely have specific measures, mainly to give them a sense of mission, to have the opportunity to do things, and to allow scientists to exercise their freedom.

Reporter: I went to various Huawei branches in Europe a few months ago and saw that many foreign employees understand Huawei’s culture very well. I am also reading some of Huawei’s books. I am very curious about what kind of power makes a person like this. A Chinese private enterprise with obvious characteristics grows into an international enterprise with a common international corporate culture?

Ren Zhengfei: Most of the books you see outside are untrue, because they are compiled based on online materials. But we have no objection, because they also have to survive. You can see the voice of Huawei’s community, which is more real. As for foreign employees, there is no essential difference with us, because foreign employees also need to serve customers. We also serve customers. How are our values different?

Reporter: Now that the outside world is discussing "996" with China, including during this period of time, China's corporate culture has many conflicts with Western work values. I am curious. How is Huawei unified and coordinated?

Ren Zhengfei: Work values, we still abide by the labor laws of these countries to protect their reasonable time. But after all, they have a sense of mission, they don't have a sense of mission, and they can't achieve results. Our foreign scientists are actually more desperate than Chinese scientists. Many scientists are still unmarried in their thirties.

"Science and Technology Daily": You just mentioned that Huawei's main battle force is getting more and more capable. As a commercial company, what do you think about layoffs? The issue of layoffs is more sensitive in the Chinese market, but in fact, many companies in the ICT industry are currently preparing to lay off or have entered into layoffs. Huawei has not made large-scale layoffs from 1987 until now.

Ren Zhengfei: Actually, there are more Huawei employees who have left outside than current employees. How did they go out? Going out voluntarily means going out. Any business that does not do well is the responsibility of the chief officer, not the responsibility of the employee. Employees also have many skills in the process of moving forward. When we lay off the department, we must give them a way out. For example, they recently commended the soft sector of the industry. They proposed that 10,000 people should walk the red carpet. I approved it. Then thousands of people walked the red carpet. In 2017, we discussed and decided to reduce the soft areas of the industry at the Shanghai Strategic Retreat, but failed to make any progress. When I cut them off, I was still worried that there would be problems. I quietly told human resources that they would raise their wages before leaving. They did not make any achievements, their ranks were too low, and they would suffer from other departments. When I inspected two years later, I found that many people went to the new battlefield without waiting for the salary increase. The success of the terminal and the cloud has a lot to do with the more than 10,000 employees who were laid off. They rushed to the strategic opportunity point, not only promoted and upgraded, but also found a combat opportunity. During the two years of reduction, there was no voice in the society, no complaints from the company, and the transfer of more than 10,000 people was completed. Now many departments are also cutting, and then transferring most of the surplus personnel to the main strategic main attack force. Only a few mediocre people will persuade them to leave. Now it is such a structural adjustment, layoffs are not layoffs.

"The Paper": Yu Chengdong said that the iPhone that Mr. Ren used before now uses Huawei's own high-end mobile phone. Do you personally use a P30?

Ren Zhengfei: That's too advanced. I use backward mobile phones every time. Advanced mobile phones need to be re-learned and time is wasted. I don’t need new features.

Reporter: Have you always preferred CNBG business?

Ren Zhengfei: No, you scold whoever you love, how can you scold him if you don't love it? Yu Chengdong was also crazy when he was scolded.

Reporter: How do you look at the growth of CBG's business?

Ren Zhengfei: After all, it is an auxiliary industry. The purpose is to make money, to send money to it, and to help CNBG dominate the world. CNBG charged with the money and occupied "Mount Everest". Even if there is no grain, it is right to occupy the peak. This is the principle, not preference.

Reporter: I think Yu Chengdong himself is very capable.

Ren Zhengfei: I didn't say that he was incapable. The media are all speaking for Yu Chengdong, so you can call Yu Chengdong on the spot.

Reporter: You can give a summary of the development of CBG in recent years.

Ren Zhengfei: When we are affirming a department, we should not focus on praise, but we must correct its incorrect places to make it go on the right path. Our internal self-criticism is very strong, and the executive board sometimes quarrels, arguing and finally reaching a consensus.

Yu Chengdong: I hope that the boss will support him. Some words of the boss may be misunderstood and misunderstood by everyone. Some people will fool us with the words of the boss.

Ren Zhengfei: Yu Chengdong, your waist is not straight today.

Reporter: You set 150 billion US dollars for CBG?

Ren Zhengfei: They set it up on their own, and it's definitely not reachable.

Reporter: You still have high hopes for them.

Ren Zhengfei: People's demand enters the saturation curve, and they drive on the saturation curve, the gap between those who catch up will gradually narrow. For example, it is very difficult to make two movies in one second, but the difference between the next movie and the two movies in one second is not big, the technology investment is huge, and the gap is not widened. The lead is fast in the climbing stage, and the saturation curve is hard to say. Therefore, it is not certain in the future.

Caijing Magazine: Regarding the issue of equity, I did some external interviews before. Huawei employees are very concerned about a problem. Huawei's stock has been rising for so many years. They bought a large number of Huawei's internal shares and obtained very rich returns. But they are concerned about a problem now, and the uncertainty in the future is increasing. If the company encounters some problems, will dividends and earnings have some impact?

Ren Zhengfei: Of course, because the purchase of internal shares is voluntary, and withdrawal is also voluntary. The mechanism is open, not tied. Huawei's internal stock earnings will also fall. Our Blue Army first criticized the company for "for 30 consecutive years, dividends have exceeded 30%, when will it be distributed?" Therefore, every year I criticize the executive board of directors for too much profit growth and insufficient strategic investment. Their review last year is on my desk, and I haven't approved it yet. Trump has approved sanctions this year, and our profits may be reduced a bit.

Reporter: We must share happiness and suffering?

Ren Zhengfei: We understand the thinking of some employees, and employees can take away their own things.

Reporter: You just mentioned that as long as no capital is allowed in, any future development path can be discussed. The issue of capital is very sensitive. There have been various rumors before.

Ren Zhengfei: Don't believe the rumors, there will never be capital coming in. This is the consensus reached by all the seniors of our company. We fight for ideals, not for money.

"36Kr": Regarding the operating system, which department is responsible for it? Will it be open source and attract some developers to come in?

Ren Zhengfei: I don't know which department is responsible, let's try it. The technical difficulty of building an operating system is not that great. The most difficult thing is the ecology. How to build an ecology? This is a big deal, take it easy.

"Interface": Yesterday I went to see the equity room. I was also shocked. The rights of Huawei and its employees are highly bound. You only hold 1.4% and only have one veto power. Many founders now have the same shares with the same power or want more power. Your influence in Huawei is huge. What is the essence of the core?

Ren Zhengfei: We completed the voting at the beginning of the year to elect the new representative meeting of shareholding employees. After more than a year of brewing, we voted one share one vote. After more than a year of brewing, why doesn't the society know? I don’t know why employees consciously keep confidential to such a degree. The elected employee representative cannot represent the stock. He is the representative, and one person, one vote will vote on company resolutions. The board of directors votes on resolutions by number of people, and the executive board of directors operates daily operations under the authorization of the board.

"Pear Video": President Ren has never used a veto power. Have you actually wanted to use it at a certain moment, or is there any future situation where you can use a veto power?

Ren Zhengfei: Originally, there was a deadline for my one-vote veto power. I don’t need it when it is ready to expire. But when we passed the new charter, we happened to encounter the Brexit incident. If we voted democratically like Brexit, we might let one vote. The fate of the company is ruined, so I retain a veto right and I will be in charge for the time being. When a part of our team withdrew and the core elite team formed a small group, I gave up my personal power and transferred power to the core elite team composed of 7 people, and vetoed major problems, business matters. Generally do not need to be used.